Augustine vs. Eminem: The Current Cultural Impasse

Source: moosroom.blogspot.com

I recently came across two blog posts on The Atlantic that represent the current cultural distance between conservatives and liberals. The first post criticized conservatives for being uncreative reactionaries who sound like idiots when they condemn popular culture. The second post was by a liberal who is proud to be an ignoramus about basic things that an educated person should know. Read together, both pieces show how the two sides don’t talk to each other.

The first piece, “When Conservatives Try to Talk about Rap,” is by Conor Friedersdorf. Friedersdorf reiterates what I and others have been saying for years: conservatives no longer create art (or when they try to it isn’t funded). They simply react to it. Friedersdorf says:

When prominent conservatives like Andrew Breitbart avow that culture matters more than politics, what they end up producing and publishing isn’t original cultural material–it’s derivative political criticism of the cultural products that liberals make.

And when they do react to it, it is usually, well, reactionary and ill-informed. Friedersdorf cites a National Review symposium where Mark Steyn, Mona Charen, and Jay Nordlinger tsk-tsked about how rap music is without feeling and musical quality. Steyn huffs and puffs, bombarding his target with his impressive vocabulary, but never mentions any rap songs by name. That, of course, would mean he had actually listened to some examples from the genre he was criticizing. And for too many conservatives, there’s no get-off-my-lawn charge in actually doing research.

The second blog post that is relevant to this was by Ta-Nehisi Coates, who is also a writer for The Atlantic. In it, Coates celebrates his ignorance. In a previous post he had mentioned that he had no idea who St. Augustine was. To most people, this kind of ignorance would be a source of shame. Not Coates:

I believe in a great canon, but as a writer, I don’t much care. The artist’s canon must be personal. My canon happens to include Clifton, Neal, Rakim, Raekwon etc. and Fitzgerald, McPherson, Hurston, Melville, Wharton, Doctorow, Hurston and so on. Perhaps one day it will include Augustine. But there’s a lot of great stuff I haven’t read. I’ve never made it through a Hemingway novel. I have not read a single story of Mark Twain’s. I read Plato in college, which is to say I didn’t read it all. I loved Foucault but didn’t finish. I have not read Nietzsche. I have not read Henry James, Cervantes, Willa Cather, John Edgar Wideman, Wallace Stegner, Joseph Heller or J.D. Salinger.

Wow. In other words, Coates’s canon consists entirely of liberal writers who reflect his worldview. In this sense, he is no different from the reactionary conservatives that his colleague Conor Friedersdorf condemns.

For several years I have been arguing that American art suffers because conservatives don’t understand pop culture (and its often conservative messaging–see The Dark Knight Rises), and liberals have hostility to God. Both sides don’t see how understanding of what the other side is doing can enrich their artistic experience and give them greater understanding into what it means to be human. Let me explain it this way. One of the pivotal moments of my life was in the late 1970s when I saw The Who in concert for the first time. Here on the stage was the angst, despair, joy and longing I had in my heart as an adolescent–and it was delivered with a powerful current of grace and delightful sense of play. I had read Hemingway and The Catcher in the Rye, and The Who quickly became part of my pantheon of artistic alienation.

Yet I also had adults, including several teachers, who insisted that I mold that energy into something deeper and that I confront books whose ideas I may not agree with. That I gain greater understanding over my passions. I read Shakespeare, Dante, Christopher Lasch, Jeane Kirkpatrick, and, yes, Augustine. These writers not only helped me deal with the alienation that is part of the human condition, they led me to change my position on some issues. In short, they gave me a little bit of wisdom.

Conservatives and liberals both seem proud to be ignorant about culture and literature that is not directly in their wheelhouse of their Weltanschauung. We thus get the classic canon without room for new things, or pop culture without the creative, clarifying, and enriching life of God.

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  • Kevin Kuipers

    I think you make a good point. Libs and cons talk past eachother. But no matter how I look at it, there is this irreducible dualism. (Like a Mailer novel?) I don’t know if the two perspectives will ever mix any better than oil and vinegar. Maybe that would be a good thing, though.

  • Randy Tinfow

    Great article. Conversation without understanding is always argument.

  • I read the article by Friedersdorf and was infuriated. One, I didn’t believe this was a fair assessment of conservative ignorance towards pop-culture but an illustration of Baby-Boomer ignorance.

    From someone who spent much of his life listening to hip-hop and increasingly became frustrated with it, I can relate to the idea that it is not offering much. To be certain though, I feel the same way about much of the rock music that comes through the airwaves as well. The difference is, rock music is my preferred genre of music; it speaks to me culturally in ways hip-hop cannot and yes this is because I am a small town white guy. Because I prefer rock I will seek out fresh and significant music that isn’t offerred on the radio unlike hip-hop. As a result I become increasingly distant from rap culture.

    Also, the hip-hop that I did find fresh and relevant, Jurassic 5, The Roots, Talib Kweli, have trouble finding an audience even in the black community. I saw all of these groups live and was always surprised at the lack of a “black presence”. Common laments this phenomenon on a Roots album describing the venues being filled with, “just coffee shop chicks and white dudes.” I’m sorry, but I am not going to settle for Ke$ha in order to be culturally relevant.

    Loved the article though.

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  • Led

    I don’t find this very fair to Coates, actually, who hosted a discussion of Tocqueville’s Democracy in America as he read it recently. He’s now doing the same with Hobbes. And I think it entirely too generous to Friedensdorf, who makes a living concern-trolling mainstream conservatism. Let him write some conservative-ish rap criticism himself – but no, he is the self-appointed hand-wringer over the state of conservatism (and therefore an object of delight for Andrew Sullivan et alii huiusmodi).

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  • montanajack1948

    Ta-Nehisi Coates was not celebrating his “ignorance,” he was acknowledging the limits and selectivity of his learning. Rather than condemning works he hasn’t read, he specifically referred to them as “great stuff”; that is rather different, wouldn’t you say, from the likes of Mark Steyn denigrating and dismissing an entire genre of music? As for Coates’ canon supposedly consisting of “liberal writers who reflect his worldview”: do you really want to reduce the likes of Wharton, Melville, and Fitzgerald to “liberal writers”? (Also: I don’t know who wrote this article’s headline, but “Eminem” as representative of rap music?)

    • dookieboot2

      How would Coates know it’s “great stuff” if he hasn’t read the authors? The problem with auto-didacts like Coates is that by having no foundation in the Western Canon, no knowledge of philosophy and rhetoric, is that he is unable able to make logical and coherent arguments. When he tries to make an argument, it’s generally done with anecdote and memoir. He’s made an entire career basically writing about himself. That’s fine for a travel writer, not so good for a person who is trying to be an intellectual.

      The act of even explaining this is tedious, since Ta-Nehisi Coates’ sub-mediocrity is obvious without having to analyse it.

    • Absolom Humblebug

      Coates has frequently referred to the books he read throughout his youth and college, and they are all race-obsessed, radical African bulljunk. That has been his one obsession since he was in diapers. I particularly doubt he has ever read a story or novel by Melville, since Melville’s themes, perspective and style would all be completely foreign to him, and over his head.
      One thing that comes across in any interview of Coates or in his books (I’ve read both of his “memoirs”) is his complete lack of curiosity for the world outside his immediate frame of reference. For a guy who likes to opine on big things, and who has been adopted as the Greatest American Intellectual (at least for the next five minutes) he is remarkably insouciant about his general ignorance and indifference to what others have had to say about those Big Things over the centuries.

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